That feel when you just want peace but Russia is a bear with autism and wants to unite the Slavs and take back the clay that Lithuanians-Ruthenians took from the Mongols. All Russia has to do is be allies with Germany and crush Mitteleuropa as they do from time to time (when Germany wants), a coalition of states that would be independent of Moscow and Berlin is impossible as of now because the region is already kind of divided, but Polan is too big to just be a vassal like Serbia, Croatia or Bohemia and lacking in the politicall skill of balancing like Orban, but too weak in all possible ways to unite central Europe. Only a global war with Germany and Russia as losers would change things, like the last time it nerely worked. War when? Intermarium when? You Russians can have the lands up to Dniepr btw, Perejaslaw treaty.
Let's better dismantle governments all over the globe instead. But let's legalize weapons and teach our citizens to be like Swiss before we do that.
Sounds good to me, how is libertarianism in Russia BTW?
Considering the fact that our government is so corrupt and useless, it has some perspectives.
But most of the people don't know that word at all.
Ireland is Ireland clay. Gib back!
Nobody asked the will of the Pole, he is supposed to speak Russian and his land is supposed to be Russian.
I'll let you in on a secret. We hate Scotland but keep them as a pet because it generates enormous arsehurt to the indigenous scottish people of scotland. Also goes with irish animals. One must perform irksome or at times highly offensive tasks when called by the Empire, like the defence of Canada or the governence of Ireland.
Nje ljez bljad' debju suka jebanyj
What the fuck are you going on about? Stop making these rotting gayrope threads.
>We hate Scotland but keep them as a pet
You don't keep anyone, Pole. Except for some our Khokhol guys in Masuria, maybe, but even that is highly dubious.
What is your point exactly? Why did you make this thread? Also, do you even know anything about Russia, "Slavs", Lithaunians-Ruthenians, Mongols or anyone else you mentioned there or is it just some psuedo-history based on what you read on /pol/ and a few quick glances at wikipedia?
From what I understand he wants a Bolan od morza do morza literally taking Odessa and Żytomir from us. I don't think we can afford allowing him to do that.
See that flag? I'm not just Polish.
I know a shit tonne about Mitteleuropa, I study history and this is my shit. Intermarum is a dream, not possible because the Cossacs screwed up in the XVIIth century asking the Car to protect them. Right now it would be good to have a referendum over all of Ukraine and partition it, have an independent Ukraine on the west bank of the Dniepr, or something similar. Why post? Because I am too lazy to write in Russian and argue with Russians in Russian, I'm complaining that Poland is geopolitically fucked. The Rzeczpospolita was a great project, had something to offer to the Germanic and Ruthenian element, but got screwed by absolutisms all around, there is no hope of regaining the moral standing of the old days. The difference we offered was freedom, not your negative 'свобода' but true aurea libertas, Germans didn't have it and so the Prussians subjects of the king were loyal (lowest taxes in Europe). This is all dead now, but perhaps after some great conflict we will get our chance, though I doubt the cultural changes can be reversed since even the Polish nation has lost the pursuit of liberty.
Ahahaha, Britain should focus on taking back Rhodesia or something. They lost every war against civilized nations, they should just go back to fighting niggers.
Pic related, our clay.
You are right, we do not exist, the Great War killed us. But as much as I respect Russia, our Empire was far better than yours. You represent the typical tellurocratic idea that clay=power, while the city of Hong Kong is and was actually more important than large hunks of Siberia. Maybe if Stolypin was in power longer and in different times you would stand a chance.
You forgot Gilan and Hawaii clays I guess.
Dnieper in Ukraine is not a political, economic, dialectological or ethnic border anymore, Pole. You're stuck in 17th century, not the worst century to get lost in though.
Former Austro-Hungary—Russia/Bolan—Russia borders are important.
Boundary between pre- and after- Catherine's expulsion of Turks settlement areas are important.
The river is just a river.
>Intermarum
I know that Intermarium uniting the Eastern Europe, it was called Austro-Hungary.
First sea was the Adriatic and the second the lake Balaton.
I speak figuratively, it moved just a bit, besides in a plebiscite Russia would probably win over the hard eastern flank, not Odessa I would say but we will never know as good luck with:
>democratic elections East of the Oder
XVII century was poor for us BTW, constant decline, same for you but you emerged full of Asian autism and prussian fanboyness and that was a deadly mix
Was not a bad empire, but
>true Intermarium was never tried
perhaps when we kind of pulled Moldavia from the Turks for a short while but that was pure theory. Plus don't look down on Balaton, the only sea Russia dominates is the Baikal, Dugin is right, you are a country of "suchota" xD
And true, my bad, I totally forgot about the delegalisation of the greek-catholic Church in russian-occupied Zadnieprze, you must forgive me for not focusing on the absolutely depressing period of partitions.
>i know you had siberia but hong kong was much more important
>i know your army is more powerful but you just zerg rush your enemies
>i know your women are very beautiful but they become hunchbacked babushkas overnight when they turn 40
Kek, so typical. Pretty much how most anglos act. They come to some foreign place like some rude tourist, act like they know more about the place than the locals, lose arguments and get butthurt, then go "Yes you're right, but..." and say some excuse to make them feel better about themselves.
Siberia btw is much more important than some Hong Kong, it's the reason more than 25% of the world's natural resources are in the territory of the Russian Federation, idk why you would talk about Hong Kong which is Chinese now but whatever.
>Siberia btw is much more important than some Hong Kong
KEKKKKK sooo goood
Great idea, we have oli, how about just sell it crude and cheap eh? Not even refine it? So you basically dig something out of the ground and sell it... how does that even compare to the sheer power of capitalism? The exchange of services? Don't get me wrong, I love Russia, but bitching about how you have 1/6 of the globe is pretty dumb as it is kind of underdeveloped. And I know it's not your fault, but then again you still have people who think Stalin I somehow respectable. Stalin killed more Russians than Hitler. In Poland there is a little town called Chrzanów, it was defended by a couple of Germans in a bunker on a hill with a heavy machine gun. When the Red Army came they took their position loosing about the same amount of man that the allies lost during D-Day. Anyone ever heard about the battle of Chrzanów? Of course not, it's not important at all. Great victory URRAAAA! My pabiedili!!! There is no glory in pretty women if they whore themselves, there is no glory in great armies if they are living meat in the hands of genocidal idiots and there is no glory in land if there are no industrious people living on it and developing it. I wish all the best for Russia but you must understand that the state you are in now is not good. Long live Putin, because he is the morphine that keeps the poor victim of socialism that Russia is from pain and falling apart and he is moderate and considerate, although no one understands that in the West. Hope he will slowly stabilise your country further.
>Long live Putin
This is why Anglos are and always will be Russophobic pieces of shit. Putin is slowly killing Russia and deep down in your Anglo soul you know that and love it, that's why you love him so much because while you are sipping tea over there, enjoying your freedoms and capitalist economy and pretending to be a geopolitical genius on imageboards, you enjoy the fact that Russians who actually live in Russia are being repressed and hate their government, don't even tell me about your "86% approval rating" which I know you are going to mention, every dictator had an 86% aproval rating. Anglos LOVE it when Russians suffer, it's just something that's encoded in them on a genetic level and don't pretend it isn't so, when Russians suffer, you find it hilarious.
>Great idea, we have oli, how about just sell it crude and cheap eh? Not even refine it? So you basically dig something out of the ground and sell it...
You said it yourself that oil is unrefined, but the oil and gas sector is nationalized so it's basically owned by Putin himself, tell me O wise Anglo, why didn't our great leader develop our oil and gas industry? Oh but it's not his fault, he is a great leader, it's those cheeky breeky drunk Russians who can't do shit.
>how does that even compare to the sheer power of capitalism? The exchange of services?
You're right, we don't want capitalism, we don't to be rich, we don't want cheap goods and commodities or to start businesses that earn money. We are all damn communists and when Putin wanted to make a free market here we told him not to do so because we are stupid cheeky breeky Russian communists who are too lazy to work. Poor Putin, he works so hard all by himself but we are so ungrateful.
>you still have people who think Stalin I somehow respectable.
Well, I guess it's better than all those liberal scum! Remember the 90s, guys? But in all seriousness, yes, and besides the old babushkas, another person who sings praises to Stalin is Putin! Hahaha, stupid cheeky breeky Russians supporting a bloody dictator...
>there is no glory in great armies if they are living meat in the hands of genocidal idiot
Yeah, when genocidal idiots send their American armies to die on the beaches of Normandy, it's heroism and movies and videogames should be made about it, when Russians do the same it's funny and hilarious seeing those drunk cheeky breeky Slavs shout URAAAAAA and then die.
>There is no glory in pretty women if they whore themselves
We all know Russian women aren't easy, you're just being an ass.
>In Poland there is a little town called Chrzanów, it was defended by a couple of Germans in a bunker on a hill with a heavy machine gun.
In Volgograd (then Stalingrad) there was a little house which became known simply as Pavlov's house because no matter how many waves the Germans sent at it they couldn't get past it. Did you know about this? Of course not, because only cheeky breeky Russians commit suicde by running headfirst at 1000mph into poor defenseless bullets.
Now a question for you: are all Anglos clones or what? Why are you so predictable? Why are your arguments all the same? Don't tell me we communist Russians are more individualist than you are in your capitalist societies? Take your Putin and go back to /pol/, I'm sure they would be happy to discuss your hatred and misconceptions about Russia over there because real Russians who have lived here their whole lives obviously don't know jack shit about their own country.
You seem to have misunderstood me. When I compared Putin to Morphine it was an exact comparison- healthy people don't take morphine. Do you really think Navalny can de-corrupt Russia? Russia never was democratic and if it were to be fully democratised now all hell would break out. There is a significant number of people who criticise Putin for not taking Donbass etc, there still is a communist party and support for all sorts of strange movements. Putin is the great criminal overlord of all the other criminal overlords, but I don't see any possibility of improving how your country is run, not just yet. That's why I want Putin to live long, because thanks to him Russia is in one piece. I do believe Russia can have a great future, I believe you are an industrious people, but can't just go from soviet socialism to free-market democracy, no one can. As for Normandy and Stalingrad: the difference is that while at Normandy the Yanks and Brits simply tried to grab the beaches, the commanders of the soviets did not care about the numbers of soldiers dead, especially if they were from some Asian minorities or Ukrainian. The moment you show me a realistic alternative to Putin I will change my mind, Putin just kills off anyone who gets close to being opposition, so how do you replace someone like that? You would need a revolution after his death, we all know that wouldn't work... Why do you suppose I am somehow prejudiced against Russians? I think you are not as degenerated as many people here, you actually would die for something that you believe in, England sometimes is really depressing... inb4 "->/pol/ and complain about degenerates there" if only the orthodox Church survived communism and had popular support like the Church did in Poland.
Do Poles always make gestures like OP-pic?
Good point, it might be typical of Poles
Bumping a serious nationalistic discussion thread.
