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 Аноним 18/09/19 Срд 13:57:20 #1 №203998294 
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Я всегда удивлялся тому, откуда в людях столько дерьма. Сначала они кудахчат из-за какой-то хурмы: "О хоспаде, они обсуждают меня за глаза! Ну я им сейчас покажу!" и потом начинают при каждом удобном случае напоминать тебе, какой ты мудак, гнобить тебя за то, что ты сделал. Они не ищут способов примирения - а зачем? Лучше я поднасру другим, ведь я-то хорошая, я никогда никому не причинила зла, я вообще идеальна и обо мне нельзя говорить плохо. Эти люди уже давно сгнили изнутри, общаться с ними - всё равно что общаться с Машенькой из пятого /b/, которая и обосрёт, и напомнит тебе, что ты чмо, и позовёт всех своих подруг на это убожество.

Или вот ещё: альфа самцы. Пускай жизнь их пуста и ничём, кроме просиживания штанов за компьютером, не наполнена, они считают, что если старше тебя на пять лет, ты обязан ему подчиняться. "Я бросил больше, чем ты, ничтожество, целуй мне пятки!" - читается в его глазах. Пускай у него нет друзей, работы и девушки, пускай он живёт в однушке, пускай он не ходил в армию, в интернете - последнем пристанище - всё это не имеет значения. Тебе может даже не быть тридцати - просто соври, скажи, что это так - и все девчонки твои, все работодатели мира непременно тебя возьмут, ведь ты успешный человек, у тебя бардак и в мозгах, и в квартире, но в интернете, в интернете всё зашибись. Общаться с такими - себе дороже, а уж помогать - о, об этом даже не стоит заикаться, лучше промолчать. Любую помощь воспринимает в штыки. Зачем мне куда-то идти, искать новое хобби? Открой соцсети и подоминируй над униженными и оскорблёнными - и в посмертной жизни тебе всё зачтётся. Карма - как бумеранг - куда закинешь, то и получишь.
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sage[mailto:sage] Аноним 18/09/19 Срд 14:00:44 #8 №203998473 
Че за нытье попущенного обиженки, выпились пожалуйста.
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Аноним 18/09/19 Срд 14:01:21 #10 №203998508 
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sage[mailto:sage] Аноним 18/09/19 Срд 14:02:02 #11 №203998552 
>>203998294 (OP)
Пиздуй нахуй, ты не нужен.
Аноним 18/09/19 Срд 14:02:13 #12 №203998563 
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Аноним 18/09/19 Срд 14:02:41 #13 №203998591 
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Аноним 18/09/19 Срд 14:02:43 #14 №203998595 
Пиздец оп шизик. Ему реально лечиться надо
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sage[mailto:sage] Аноним 18/09/19 Срд 14:03:29 #16 №203998637 
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« on: May 03, 2016, 10:01:15 AM »
Just finished the game. It's definitely in my top 10 ever. But...the ending! I gather there are many different paths than the one I took, but one thing drives me absolutely insane: the mystery. I never learned a damn thing. The whole game, I was waiting to find out what that cube was, who the "shadow people" were, what Rahm-Umbra and Tanner really were. And no, not one thing was explained. The Faceless wouldn't tell me, Rahm wouldn't tell me, Eidan wouldn't tell me, the GAME wouldn't tell me. Dafuq? I could swear I read someone saying they ending with the cube, and some kind of medallion? Two artifacts, that you can actually use? Well if so, I missed it all completely. If I can go back to an earlier save, and I have many, I think before I start another playthrough I really must know even a little about what this was all really about, if it is even possible.

That was a brutal, brutal cliffhanger. You better have the sequel ready next month.
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before I discuss the entire understanding of my lore, can you tell me what you mean by "shadow people"?
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Quote from: reinhark on May 03, 2016, 12:31:52 PM

before I discuss the entire understanding of my lore, can you tell me what you mean by "shadow people"?


It is how Tchort refers to Six/Rahm-Umbra/Tanner's people.

And I thought of yet another NPC who knows deep dark secrets and won't spill: EZRA! Dammit, the whole game does this.
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« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2016, 07:36:35 PM »
Quote from: Hal900x on May 03, 2016, 06:19:34 PM

Quote from: reinhark on May 03, 2016, 12:31:52 PM

before I discuss the entire understanding of my lore, can you tell me what you mean by "shadow people"?


It is how Tchort refers to Six/Rahm-Umbra/Tanner's people.


Tchort referred to Six specifically. You know, Rahm-Umbra. Shadow. He called the people "High Ones".
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« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2016, 07:48:22 PM »
Now that I have my answer, I will talk about everything I know.
Each segment will be laid down chronologically, and will accompany evidences first followed by my opinion.
Let's begin.
Obviously everything below will be HUGE spoiler for the story, if not ALL of the spoilers.

Story of the alien race - to be more specific, Godmen.
(this is not that important, but oh well)

Evidences:
Refer to all three crystal pillars, monolith, secret society mainframe, secret society leader, Dude.

Interpretation:
So they are psionic, powerful and shut-in aliens who wields otherworldly technology like teleport or interplanetary weapon of mass destruction. They have track record of annihilating another alien race known as Behemoths, who were also space faring.
They are also known to hate space, for some reason. Therefore - shut-in within their own planet.

Unfortunately they had some... chronic disease or something shared by their entire race/infected their entire race. When this desease struck, they probably went into hibernation using their stasis technology to delay their demise/sleep until disease is somehow cured.

In this last moment, some of those Godmen were chosen to travel to space for unknown mission. They were fitted with new mechanical body and sent off.
So far all this isn't important. Nothing that has to do with human race nor development of Underrail so far. As far as we know they could've sent outer space to buy supplies for recovery-celebration party that takes in the future.

Let's get to fun parts... They saw something interesting on(or more likely, under) Earth, came down, and somehow wracked the ship. There are only 3 survivors.
This ship, or possibly a part of the ship has been salvaged by certain organization, and it is likely that more alien items were scattered across larger area.


History of the Underrail(Or rather, Biocorp, since they controlled everything back few hundred years back then)

Evidences:
Apartment complexes mails, Actions of some ex-biocorp scientists, ex-biocorp Apex technocrat and ex-biocorp lackey of unknown rank, faceless dialogue, Six's dialogue.

Interpretation:
What happened prior to Biocorp doesn't concern me personally. All known recorded history begins when Biocorp controlled everything and the surface abandoned. Anyone or anything could've caused "uninhabitable surface problem" but it really doesn't matter to the story. So let's start with the part it does matter. Hollowed Earth Research Complex - also known as Deep Caverns.

Hollowed Earth Research Complex was built for research of top secret technologies of Biocorps... or so it says.
I personally think that it isn't true at all. How about this: Hollowed Earth Research Complex's purpose was to research alien technologies and alien genetics.
example:
Some mails from the apartment mentions gathering of xeno-artifact - like those mysterious pillar.
Unexplained presence of alien monolith within the ex-biocorp university. Note that Tchortist didn't know about its existence.
Stasis tanks.
Lastly, incredibly large amount of Mutagens.

Strange, isn't it? Faceless says that they were born within mutagen tanks.
And yet Dude refer to Faceless as "Half god, Half man, Half rock", and Rahm-Umbra says that Faceless is related to himself as well.
Only logical conclusion is that Biocorp somehow obtained Godmen's genetics(probably from ship wreckage mentioned above) and designed mutagens based on it to elevate humanity to new height.
It is unsure if they have used Mutagen, but biocorp scientists' work bore fruit and some of them obtained immortality + psionic abilities.

Biocorp was successful in creating in prototype of new human - the faceless. But then they revolted and Hollowed earth fell. It is not known if it was plotted by remaining Godmen or accident, but it is done. Most of the research - if not all - stored in there were lost. It is possible that some trace of it remains in the northern underrail.
Of course, there is an exception. There was a group of people who had access to all those wondrous, top tier Biocorp technology - Faceless. They probably had access to them after the revolt... and it brought them success in southern underrail.

And stuff happens - Tchort who was born during this revolt. Deep caverns fell to ruin.

Certain Biocorp employee continues to experiment... and Junkyard happens.
Then Biocorp fells.
Then cube gets stolen somehow.

Biocorp employees gets scattered across Underrail - some easily over hundreds of years old - and Godmen survivors still scheme for their mission even to this day.

Note that Godmen all seem to attract large human followers for their greater schemes and prefer to use minions over direct action. Bearing that in mind, it is easier to see where the last one may have went...
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Re: I hate you all [major spoilers]
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2016, 08:31:02 PM »
Quote from: epeli on May 03, 2016, 07:36:35 PM

Quote from: Hal900x on May 03, 2016, 06:19:34 PM

Quote from: reinhark on May 03, 2016, 12:31:52 PM

before I discuss the entire understanding of my lore, can you tell me what you mean by "shadow people"?


It is how Tchort refers to Six/Rahm-Umbra/Tanner's people.


Tchort referred to Six specifically. You know, Rahm-Umbra. Shadow. He called the people "High Ones".


To think that I never bothered to look up "Rahm" and discover that it was a real word, knowing that Umbra is.
Turns out he's the high shadow!

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« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2016, 09:28:51 PM »
Oooh, I so don't have time for this, but I want to join in, at least for a bit.

Quote from: reinhark on May 03, 2016, 07:48:22 PM

Story of the alien race - to be more specific, Godmen.


You are taking all of this very literally, despite Six outright warning you not to do so. I don't think he would have objected to the titles Godman or High One if it was just a simple matter of bad translation.

But if we don't take it literally we don't have much to talk about, so let's do it anyway.

I'm not sure you got the chronology of it right, though. Not that I'm sure my version is any better.
The way I interpreted it, the illness is the earliest event in the timeline. The inhabitants of the moon, whoever they were, turned to the dead Godhead. The Godhead, in turn, unleashed the beast on them, the Leviathan.

They won the war by turning to technology and conquering space, and with the end of the Eon of the Beast, the reign of the Godmen started. The Godhead was replaced by the Machine God.

At this point however I am not sure what lead to their downfall and the eventual journey of the Chosen. It seems they had some kind of energy crisis, their stars provided them with plenty, yet not enough. Is the invisible star the sphere orbits the same Sun from the previous visions? Where is this galaxy anyway?

Quote from: reinhark on May 03, 2016, 07:48:22 PM

History of the Underrail(Or rather, Biocorp, since they controlled everything back few hundred years back then)


I'd like to add a few things to this.

First, it is unknown how humans developed psi potential. If even the head of Biocorp's genetic research is clueless about how such thing could have been designed, it is possible Biocorp had nothing to do with it. In that case there might be a third party that started tampering with human genetics long before Biocorp schenanigans. That would have some fun implications.

Second, the Junkyard incident. When exactly did it happen?
Thanks to Wyatt, we know for sure it was over 100 years ago. We also know the Hollow Earth incident started around 189 years and 75 days ago, and after it escalated Old Biocorp was done for. And finally, we know that there was no Biocorp for at least 100 years.
Wyatt identified Wight and Vovin as possible Biocorp scientists. The timing would be too soon for it to be New Biocorp, so it had to happen when Old Biocorp was still around, so at least around ~189 years ago. So was it one of the last things the two technocrats have done before pulling a disappearing act, or did it happen before Hollow Earth as part of Project Ascendance?

And last, what is the symbiont?
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« on: May 03, 2016, 10:01:15 AM »
Just finished the game. It's definitely in my top 10 ever. But...the ending! I gather there are many different paths than the one I took, but one thing drives me absolutely insane: the mystery. I never learned a damn thing. The whole game, I was waiting to find out what that cube was, who the "shadow people" were, what Rahm-Umbra and Tanner really were. And no, not one thing was explained. The Faceless wouldn't tell me, Rahm wouldn't tell me, Eidan wouldn't tell me, the GAME wouldn't tell me. Dafuq? I could swear I read someone saying they ending with the cube, and some kind of medallion? Two artifacts, that you can actually use? Well if so, I missed it all completely. If I can go back to an earlier save, and I have many, I think before I start another playthrough I really must know even a little about what this was all really about, if it is even possible.

That was a brutal, brutal cliffhanger. You better have the sequel ready next month.
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« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2016, 12:31:52 PM »
before I discuss the entire understanding of my lore, can you tell me what you mean by "shadow people"?
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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2016, 06:19:34 PM »
Quote from: reinhark on May 03, 2016, 12:31:52 PM

before I discuss the entire understanding of my lore, can you tell me what you mean by "shadow people"?


It is how Tchort refers to Six/Rahm-Umbra/Tanner's people.

And I thought of yet another NPC who knows deep dark secrets and won't spill: EZRA! Dammit, the whole game does this.
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« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2016, 07:36:35 PM »
Quote from: Hal900x on May 03, 2016, 06:19:34 PM

Quote from: reinhark on May 03, 2016, 12:31:52 PM

before I discuss the entire understanding of my lore, can you tell me what you mean by "shadow people"?


It is how Tchort refers to Six/Rahm-Umbra/Tanner's people.


Tchort referred to Six specifically. You know, Rahm-Umbra. Shadow. He called the people "High Ones".
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« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2016, 07:48:22 PM »
Now that I have my answer, I will talk about everything I know.
Each segment will be laid down chronologically, and will accompany evidences first followed by my opinion.
Let's begin.
Obviously everything below will be HUGE spoiler for the story, if not ALL of the spoilers.

Story of the alien race - to be more specific, Godmen.
(this is not that important, but oh well)

Evidences:
Refer to all three crystal pillars, monolith, secret society mainframe, secret society leader, Dude.

Interpretation:
So they are psionic, powerful and shut-in aliens who wields otherworldly technology like teleport or interplanetary weapon of mass destruction. They have track record of annihilating another alien race known as Behemoths, who were also space faring.
They are also known to hate space, for some reason. Therefore - shut-in within their own planet.

Unfortunately they had some... chronic disease or something shared by their entire race/infected their entire race. When this desease struck, they probably went into hibernation using their stasis technology to delay their demise/sleep until disease is somehow cured.

In this last moment, some of those Godmen were chosen to travel to space for unknown mission. They were fitted with new mechanical body and sent off.
So far all this isn't important. Nothing that has to do with human race nor development of Underrail so far. As far as we know they could've sent outer space to buy supplies for recovery-celebration party that takes in the future.

Let's get to fun parts... They saw something interesting on(or more likely, under) Earth, came down, and somehow wracked the ship. There are only 3 survivors.
This ship, or possibly a part of the ship has been salvaged by certain organization, and it is likely that more alien items were scattered across larger area.


History of the Underrail(Or rather, Biocorp, since they controlled everything back few hundred years back then)

Evidences:
Apartment complexes mails, Actions of some ex-biocorp scientists, ex-biocorp Apex technocrat and ex-biocorp lackey of unknown rank, faceless dialogue, Six's dialogue.

Interpretation:
What happened prior to Biocorp doesn't concern me personally. All known recorded history begins when Biocorp controlled everything and the surface abandoned. Anyone or anything could've caused "uninhabitable surface problem" but it really doesn't matter to the story. So let's start with the part it does matter. Hollowed Earth Research Complex - also known as Deep Caverns.

Hollowed Earth Research Complex was built for research of top secret technologies of Biocorps... or so it says.
I personally think that it isn't true at all. How about this: Hollowed Earth Research Complex's purpose was to research alien technologies and alien genetics.
example:
Some mails from the apartment mentions gathering of xeno-artifact - like those mysterious pillar.
Unexplained presence of alien monolith within the ex-biocorp university. Note that Tchortist didn't know about its existence.
Stasis tanks.
Lastly, incredibly large amount of Mutagens.

Strange, isn't it? Faceless says that they were born within mutagen tanks.
And yet Dude refer to Faceless as "Half god, Half man, Half rock", and Rahm-Umbra says that Faceless is related to himself as well.
Only logical conclusion is that Biocorp somehow obtained Godmen's genetics(probably from ship wreckage mentioned above) and designed mutagens based on it to elevate humanity to new height.
It is unsure if they have used Mutagen, but biocorp scientists' work bore fruit and some of them obtained immortality + psionic abilities.

Biocorp was successful in creating in prototype of new human - the faceless. But then they revolted and Hollowed earth fell. It is not known if it was plotted by remaining Godmen or accident, but it is done. Most of the research - if not all - stored in there were lost. It is possible that some trace of it remains in the northern underrail.
Of course, there is an exception. There was a group of people who had access to all those wondrous, top tier Biocorp technology - Faceless. They probably had access to them after the revolt... and it brought them success in southern underrail.

And stuff happens - Tchort who was born during this revolt. Deep caverns fell to ruin.

Certain Biocorp employee continues to experiment... and Junkyard happens.
Then Biocorp fells.
Then cube gets stolen somehow.

Biocorp employees gets scattered across Underrail - some easily over hundreds of years old - and Godmen survivors still scheme for their mission even to this day.

Note that Godmen all seem to attract large human followers for their greater schemes and prefer to use minions over direct action. Bearing that in mind, it is easier to see where the last one may have went...
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« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2016, 08:31:02 PM »
Quote from: epeli on May 03, 2016, 07:36:35 PM

Quote from: Hal900x on May 03, 2016, 06:19:34 PM

Quote from: reinhark on May 03, 2016, 12:31:52 PM

before I discuss the entire understanding of my lore, can you tell me what you mean by "shadow people"?


It is how Tchort refers to Six/Rahm-Umbra/Tanner's people.


Tchort referred to Six specifically. You know, Rahm-Umbra. Shadow. He called the people "High Ones".


To think that I never bothered to look up "Rahm" and discover that it was a real word, knowing that Umbra is.
Turns out he's the high shadow!

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« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2016, 09:28:51 PM »
Oooh, I so don't have time for this, but I want to join in, at least for a bit.

Quote from: reinhark on May 03, 2016, 07:48:22 PM

Story of the alien race - to be more specific, Godmen.


You are taking all of this very literally, despite Six outright warning you not to do so. I don't think he would have objected to the titles Godman or High One if it was just a simple matter of bad translation.

But if we don't take it literally we don't have much to talk about, so let's do it anyway.

I'm not sure you got the chronology of it right, though. Not that I'm sure my version is any better.
The way I interpreted it, the illness is the earliest event in the timeline. The inhabitants of the moon, whoever they were, turned to the dead Godhead. The Godhead, in turn, unleashed the beast on them, the Leviathan.

They won the war by turning to technology and conquering space, and with the end of the Eon of the Beast, the reign of the Godmen started. The Godhead was replaced by the Machine God.

At this point however I am not sure what lead to their downfall and the eventual journey of the Chosen. It seems they had some kind of energy crisis, their stars provided them with plenty, yet not enough. Is the invisible star the sphere orbits the same Sun from the previous visions? Where is this galaxy anyway?

Quote from: reinhark on May 03, 2016, 07:48:22 PM

History of the Underrail(Or rather, Biocorp, since they controlled everything back few hundred years back then)


I'd like to add a few things to this.

First, it is unknown how humans developed psi potential. If even the head of Biocorp's genetic research is clueless about how such thing could have been designed, it is possible Biocorp had nothing to do with it. In that case there might be a third party that started tampering with human genetics long before Biocorp schenanigans. That would have some fun implications.

Second, the Junkyard incident. When exactly did it happen?
Thanks to Wyatt, we know for sure it was over 100 years ago. We also know the Hollow Earth incident started around 189 years and 75 days ago, and after it escalated Old Biocorp was done for. And finally, we know that there was no Biocorp for at least 100 years.
Wyatt identified Wight and Vovin as possible Biocorp scientists. The timing would be too soon for it to be New Biocorp, so it had to happen when Old Biocorp was still around, so at least around ~189 years ago. So was it one of the last things the two technocrats have done before pulling a disappearing act, or did it happen before Hollow Earth as part of Project Ascendance?

And last, what is the symbiont?
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« on: May 03, 2016, 10:01:15 AM »
Just finished the game. It's definitely in my top 10 ever. But...the ending! I gather there are many different paths than the one I took, but one thing drives me absolutely insane: the mystery. I never learned a damn thing. The whole game, I was waiting to find out what that cube was, who the "shadow people" were, what Rahm-Umbra and Tanner really were. And no, not one thing was explained. The Faceless wouldn't tell me, Rahm wouldn't tell me, Eidan wouldn't tell me, the GAME wouldn't tell me. Dafuq? I could swear I read someone saying they ending with the cube, and some kind of medallion? Two artifacts, that you can actually use? Well if so, I missed it all completely. If I can go back to an earlier save, and I have many, I think before I start another playthrough I really must know even a little about what this was all really about, if it is even possible.

That was a brutal, brutal cliffhanger. You better have the sequel ready next month.
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« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2016, 12:31:52 PM »
before I discuss the entire understanding of my lore, can you tell me what you mean by "shadow people"?
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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2016, 06:19:34 PM »
Quote from: reinhark on May 03, 2016, 12:31:52 PM

before I discuss the entire understanding of my lore, can you tell me what you mean by "shadow people"?


It is how Tchort refers to Six/Rahm-Umbra/Tanner's people.

And I thought of yet another NPC who knows deep dark secrets and won't spill: EZRA! Dammit, the whole game does this.
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« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2016, 07:36:35 PM »
Quote from: Hal900x on May 03, 2016, 06:19:34 PM

Quote from: reinhark on May 03, 2016, 12:31:52 PM

before I discuss the entire understanding of my lore, can you tell me what you mean by "shadow people"?


It is how Tchort refers to Six/Rahm-Umbra/Tanner's people.


Tchort referred to Six specifically. You know, Rahm-Umbra. Shadow. He called the people "High Ones".
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« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2016, 07:48:22 PM »
Now that I have my answer, I will talk about everything I know.
Each segment will be laid down chronologically, and will accompany evidences first followed by my opinion.
Let's begin.
Obviously everything below will be HUGE spoiler for the story, if not ALL of the spoilers.

Story of the alien race - to be more specific, Godmen.
(this is not that important, but oh well)

Evidences:
Refer to all three crystal pillars, monolith, secret society mainframe, secret society leader, Dude.

Interpretation:
So they are psionic, powerful and shut-in aliens who wields otherworldly technology like teleport or interplanetary weapon of mass destruction. They have track record of annihilating another alien race known as Behemoths, who were also space faring.
They are also known to hate space, for some reason. Therefore - shut-in within their own planet.

Unfortunately they had some... chronic disease or something shared by their entire race/infected their entire race. When this desease struck, they probably went into hibernation using their stasis technology to delay their demise/sleep until disease is somehow cured.

In this last moment, some of those Godmen were chosen to travel to space for unknown mission. They were fitted with new mechanical body and sent off.
So far all this isn't important. Nothing that has to do with human race nor development of Underrail so far. As far as we know they could've sent outer space to buy supplies for recovery-celebration party that takes in the future.

Let's get to fun parts... They saw something interesting on(or more likely, under) Earth, came down, and somehow wracked the ship. There are only 3 survivors.
This ship, or possibly a part of the ship has been salvaged by certain organization, and it is likely that more alien items were scattered across larger area.


History of the Underrail(Or rather, Biocorp, since they controlled everything back few hundred years back then)

Evidences:
Apartment complexes mails, Actions of some ex-biocorp scientists, ex-biocorp Apex technocrat and ex-biocorp lackey of unknown rank, faceless dialogue, Six's dialogue.

Interpretation:
What happened prior to Biocorp doesn't concern me personally. All known recorded history begins when Biocorp controlled everything and the surface abandoned. Anyone or anything could've caused "uninhabitable surface problem" but it really doesn't matter to the story. So let's start with the part it does matter. Hollowed Earth Research Complex - also known as Deep Caverns.

Hollowed Earth Research Complex was built for research of top secret technologies of Biocorps... or so it says.
I personally think that it isn't true at all. How about this: Hollowed Earth Research Complex's purpose was to research alien technologies and alien genetics.
example:
Some mails from the apartment mentions gathering of xeno-artifact - like those mysterious pillar.
Unexplained presence of alien monolith within the ex-biocorp university. Note that Tchortist didn't know about its existence.
Stasis tanks.
Lastly, incredibly large amount of Mutagens.

Strange, isn't it? Faceless says that they were born within mutagen tanks.
And yet Dude refer to Faceless as "Half god, Half man, Half rock", and Rahm-Umbra says that Faceless is related to himself as well.
Only logical conclusion is that Biocorp somehow obtained Godmen's genetics(probably from ship wreckage mentioned above) and designed mutagens based on it to elevate humanity to new height.
It is unsure if they have used Mutagen, but biocorp scientists' work bore fruit and some of them obtained immortality + psionic abilities.

Biocorp was successful in creating in prototype of new human - the faceless. But then they revolted and Hollowed earth fell. It is not known if it was plotted by remaining Godmen or accident, but it is done. Most of the research - if not all - stored in there were lost. It is possible that some trace of it remains in the northern underrail.
Of course, there is an exception. There was a group of people who had access to all those wondrous, top tier Biocorp technology - Faceless. They probably had access to them after the revolt... and it brought them success in southern underrail.

And stuff happens - Tchort who was born during this revolt. Deep caverns fell to ruin.

Certain Biocorp employee continues to experiment... and Junkyard happens.
Then Biocorp fells.
Then cube gets stolen somehow.

Biocorp employees gets scattered across Underrail - some easily over hundreds of years old - and Godmen survivors still scheme for their mission even to this day.

Note that Godmen all seem to attract large human followers for their greater schemes and prefer to use minions over direct action. Bearing that in mind, it is easier to see where the last one may have went...
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« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2016, 08:31:02 PM »
Quote from: epeli on May 03, 2016, 07:36:35 PM

Quote from: Hal900x on May 03, 2016, 06:19:34 PM

Quote from: reinhark on May 03, 2016, 12:31:52 PM

before I discuss the entire understanding of my lore, can you tell me what you mean by "shadow people"?


It is how Tchort refers to Six/Rahm-Umbra/Tanner's people.


Tchort referred to Six specifically. You know, Rahm-Umbra. Shadow. He called the people "High Ones".


To think that I never bothered to look up "Rahm" and discover that it was a real word, knowing that Umbra is.
Turns out he's the high shadow!

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« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2016, 09:28:51 PM »
Oooh, I so don't have time for this, but I want to join in, at least for a bit.

Quote from: reinhark on May 03, 2016, 07:48:22 PM

Story of the alien race - to be more specific, Godmen.


You are taking all of this very literally, despite Six outright warning you not to do so. I don't think he would have objected to the titles Godman or High One if it was just a simple matter of bad translation.

But if we don't take it literally we don't have much to talk about, so let's do it anyway.

I'm not sure you got the chronology of it right, though. Not that I'm sure my version is any better.
The way I interpreted it, the illness is the earliest event in the timeline. The inhabitants of the moon, whoever they were, turned to the dead Godhead. The Godhead, in turn, unleashed the beast on them, the Leviathan.

They won the war by turning to technology and conquering space, and with the end of the Eon of the Beast, the reign of the Godmen started. The Godhead was replaced by the Machine God.

At this point however I am not sure what lead to their downfall and the eventual journey of the Chosen. It seems they had some kind of energy crisis, their stars provided them with plenty, yet not enough. Is the invisible star the sphere orbits the same Sun from the previous visions? Where is this galaxy anyway?

Quote from: reinhark on May 03, 2016, 07:48:22 PM

History of the Underrail(Or rather, Biocorp, since they controlled everything back few hundred years back then)


I'd like to add a few things to this.

First, it is unknown how humans developed psi potential. If even the head of Biocorp's genetic research is clueless about how such thing could have been designed, it is possible Biocorp had nothing to do with it. In that case there might be a third party that started tampering with human genetics long before Biocorp schenanigans. That would have some fun implications.

Second, the Junkyard incident. When exactly did it happen?
Thanks to Wyatt, we know for sure it was over 100 years ago. We also know the Hollow Earth incident started around 189 years and 75 days ago, and after it escalated Old Biocorp was done for. And finally, we know that there was no Biocorp for at least 100 years.
Wyatt identified Wight and Vovin as possible Biocorp scientists. The timing would be too soon for it to be New Biocorp, so it had to happen when Old Biocorp was still around, so at least around ~189 years ago. So was it one of the last things the two technocrats have done before pulling a disappearing act, or did it happen before Hollow Earth as part of Project Ascendance?

And last, what is the symbiont?
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« on: May 03, 2016, 10:01:15 AM »
Just finished the game. It's definitely in my top 10 ever. But...the ending! I gather there are many different paths than the one I took, but one thing drives me absolutely insane: the mystery. I never learned a damn thing. The whole game, I was waiting to find out what that cube was, who the "shadow people" were, what Rahm-Umbra and Tanner really were. And no, not one thing was explained. The Faceless wouldn't tell me, Rahm wouldn't tell me, Eidan wouldn't tell me, the GAME wouldn't tell me. Dafuq? I could swear I read someone saying they ending with the cube, and some kind of medallion? Two artifacts, that you can actually use? Well if so, I missed it all completely. If I can go back to an earlier save, and I have many, I think before I start another playthrough I really must know even a little about what this was all really about, if it is even possible.

That was a brutal, brutal cliffhanger. You better have the sequel ready next month.
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before I discuss the entire understanding of my lore, can you tell me what you mean by "shadow people"?
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Quote from: reinhark on May 03, 2016, 12:31:52 PM

before I discuss the entire understanding of my lore, can you tell me what you mean by "shadow people"?


It is how Tchort refers to Six/Rahm-Umbra/Tanner's people.

And I thought of yet another NPC who knows deep dark secrets and won't spill: EZRA! Dammit, the whole game does this.
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« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2016, 07:36:35 PM »
Quote from: Hal900x on May 03, 2016, 06:19:34 PM

Quote from: reinhark on May 03, 2016, 12:31:52 PM

before I discuss the entire understanding of my lore, can you tell me what you mean by "shadow people"?


It is how Tchort refers to Six/Rahm-Umbra/Tanner's people.


Tchort referred to Six specifically. You know, Rahm-Umbra. Shadow. He called the people "High Ones".
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Now that I have my answer, I will talk about everything I know.
Each segment will be laid down chronologically, and will accompany evidences first followed by my opinion.
Let's begin.
Obviously everything below will be HUGE spoiler for the story, if not ALL of the spoilers.

Story of the alien race - to be more specific, Godmen.
(this is not that important, but oh well)

Evidences:
Refer to all three crystal pillars, monolith, secret society mainframe, secret society leader, Dude.

Interpretation:
So they are psionic, powerful and shut-in aliens who wields otherworldly technology like teleport or interplanetary weapon of mass destruction. They have track record of annihilating another alien race known as Behemoths, who were also space faring.
They are also known to hate space, for some reason. Therefore - shut-in within their own planet.

Unfortunately they had some... chronic disease or something shared by their entire race/infected their entire race. When this desease struck, they probably went into hibernation using their stasis technology to delay their demise/sleep until disease is somehow cured.

In this last moment, some of those Godmen were chosen to travel to space for unknown mission. They were fitted with new mechanical body and sent off.
So far all this isn't important. Nothing that has to do with human race nor development of Underrail so far. As far as we know they could've sent outer space to buy supplies for recovery-celebration party that takes in the future.

Let's get to fun parts... They saw something interesting on(or more likely, under) Earth, came down, and somehow wracked the ship. There are only 3 survivors.
This ship, or possibly a part of the ship has been salvaged by certain organization, and it is likely that more alien items were scattered across larger area.


History of the Underrail(Or rather, Biocorp, since they controlled everything back few hundred years back then)

Evidences:
Apartment complexes mails, Actions of some ex-biocorp scientists, ex-biocorp Apex technocrat and ex-biocorp lackey of unknown rank, faceless dialogue, Six's dialogue.

Interpretation:
What happened prior to Biocorp doesn't concern me personally. All known recorded history begins when Biocorp controlled everything and the surface abandoned. Anyone or anything could've caused "uninhabitable surface problem" but it really doesn't matter to the story. So let's start with the part it does matter. Hollowed Earth Research Complex - also known as Deep Caverns.

Hollowed Earth Research Complex was built for research of top secret technologies of Biocorps... or so it says.
I personally think that it isn't true at all. How about this: Hollowed Earth Research Complex's purpose was to research alien technologies and alien genetics.
example:
Some mails from the apartment mentions gathering of xeno-artifact - like those mysterious pillar.
Unexplained presence of alien monolith within the ex-biocorp university. Note that Tchortist didn't know about its existence.
Stasis tanks.
Lastly, incredibly large amount of Mutagens.

Strange, isn't it? Faceless says that they were born within mutagen tanks.
And yet Dude refer to Faceless as "Half god, Half man, Half rock", and Rahm-Umbra says that Faceless is related to himself as well.
Only logical conclusion is that Biocorp somehow obtained Godmen's genetics(probably from ship wreckage mentioned above) and designed mutagens based on it to elevate humanity to new height.
It is unsure if they have used Mutagen, but biocorp scientists' work bore fruit and some of them obtained immortality + psionic abilities.

Biocorp was successful in creating in prototype of new human - the faceless. But then they revolted and Hollowed earth fell. It is not known if it was plotted by remaining Godmen or accident, but it is done. Most of the research - if not all - stored in there were lost. It is possible that some trace of it remains in the northern underrail.
Of course, there is an exception. There was a group of people who had access to all those wondrous, top tier Biocorp technology - Faceless. They probably had access to them after the revolt... and it brought them success in southern underrail.

And stuff happens - Tchort who was born during this revolt. Deep caverns fell to ruin.

Certain Biocorp employee continues to experiment... and Junkyard happens.
Then Biocorp fells.
Then cube gets stolen somehow.

Biocorp employees gets scattered across Underrail - some easily over hundreds of years old - and Godmen survivors still scheme for their mission even to this day.

Note that Godmen all seem to attract large human followers for their greater schemes and prefer to use minions over direct action. Bearing that in mind, it is easier to see where the last one may have went...
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Re: I hate you all [major spoilers]
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2016, 08:31:02 PM »
Quote from: epeli on May 03, 2016, 07:36:35 PM

Quote from: Hal900x on May 03, 2016, 06:19:34 PM

Quote from: reinhark on May 03, 2016, 12:31:52 PM

before I discuss the entire understanding of my lore, can you tell me what you mean by "shadow people"?


It is how Tchort refers to Six/Rahm-Umbra/Tanner's people.


Tchort referred to Six specifically. You know, Rahm-Umbra. Shadow. He called the people "High Ones".


To think that I never bothered to look up "Rahm" and discover that it was a real word, knowing that Umbra is.
Turns out he's the high shadow!

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« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2016, 09:28:51 PM »
Oooh, I so don't have time for this, but I want to join in, at least for a bit.

Quote from: reinhark on May 03, 2016, 07:48:22 PM

Story of the alien race - to be more specific, Godmen.


You are taking all of this very literally, despite Six outright warning you not to do so. I don't think he would have objected to the titles Godman or High One if it was just a simple matter of bad translation.

But if we don't take it literally we don't have much to talk about, so let's do it anyway.

I'm not sure you got the chronology of it right, though. Not that I'm sure my version is any better.
The way I interpreted it, the illness is the earliest event in the timeline. The inhabitants of the moon, whoever they were, turned to the dead Godhead. The Godhead, in turn, unleashed the beast on them, the Leviathan.

They won the war by turning to technology and conquering space, and with the end of the Eon of the Beast, the reign of the Godmen started. The Godhead was replaced by the Machine God.

At this point however I am not sure what lead to their downfall and the eventual journey of the Chosen. It seems they had some kind of energy crisis, their stars provided them with plenty, yet not enough. Is the invisible star the sphere orbits the same Sun from the previous visions? Where is this galaxy anyway?

Quote from: reinhark on May 03, 2016, 07:48:22 PM

History of the Underrail(Or rather, Biocorp, since they controlled everything back few hundred years back then)


I'd like to add a few things to this.

First, it is unknown how humans developed psi potential. If even the head of Biocorp's genetic research is clueless about how such thing could have been designed, it is possible Biocorp had nothing to do with it. In that case there might be a third party that started tampering with human genetics long before Biocorp schenanigans. That would have some fun implications.

Second, the Junkyard incident. When exactly did it happen?
Thanks to Wyatt, we know for sure it was over 100 years ago. We also know the Hollow Earth incident started around 189 years and 75 days ago, and after it escalated Old Biocorp was done for. And finally, we know that there was no Biocorp for at least 100 years.
Wyatt identified Wight and Vovin as possible Biocorp scientists. The timing would be too soon for it to be New Biocorp, so it had to happen when Old Biocorp was still around, so at least around ~189 years ago. So was it one of the last things the two technocrats have done before pulling a disappearing act, or did it happen before Hollow Earth as part of Project Ascendance?

And last, what is the symbiont?
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« on: May 03, 2016, 10:01:15 AM »
Just finished the game. It's definitely in my top 10 ever. But...the ending! I gather there are many different paths than the one I took, but one thing drives me absolutely insane: the mystery. I never learned a damn thing. The whole game, I was waiting to find out what that cube was, who the "shadow people" were, what Rahm-Umbra and Tanner really were. And no, not one thing was explained. The Faceless wouldn't tell me, Rahm wouldn't tell me, Eidan wouldn't tell me, the GAME wouldn't tell me. Dafuq? I could swear I read someone saying they ending with the cube, and some kind of medallion? Two artifacts, that you can actually use? Well if so, I missed it all completely. If I can go back to an earlier save, and I have many, I think before I start another playthrough I really must know even a little about what this was all really about, if it is even possible.

That was a brutal, brutal cliffhanger. You better have the sequel ready next month.
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before I discuss the entire understanding of my lore, can you tell me what you mean by "shadow people"?
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Quote from: reinhark on May 03, 2016, 12:31:52 PM

before I discuss the entire understanding of my lore, can you tell me what you mean by "shadow people"?


It is how Tchort refers to Six/Rahm-Umbra/Tanner's people.

And I thought of yet another NPC who knows deep dark secrets and won't spill: EZRA! Dammit, the whole game does this.
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« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2016, 07:36:35 PM »
Quote from: Hal900x on May 03, 2016, 06:19:34 PM

Quote from: reinhark on May 03, 2016, 12:31:52 PM

before I discuss the entire understanding of my lore, can you tell me what you mean by "shadow people"?


It is how Tchort refers to Six/Rahm-Umbra/Tanner's people.


Tchort referred to Six specifically. You know, Rahm-Umbra. Shadow. He called the people "High Ones".
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« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2016, 07:48:22 PM »
Now that I have my answer, I will talk about everything I know.
Each segment will be laid down chronologically, and will accompany evidences first followed by my opinion.
Let's begin.
Obviously everything below will be HUGE spoiler for the story, if not ALL of the spoilers.

Story of the alien race - to be more specific, Godmen.
(this is not that important, but oh well)

Evidences:
Refer to all three crystal pillars, monolith, secret society mainframe, secret society leader, Dude.

Interpretation:
So they are psionic, powerful and shut-in aliens who wields otherworldly technology like teleport or interplanetary weapon of mass destruction. They have track record of annihilating another alien race known as Behemoths, who were also space faring.
They are also known to hate space, for some reason. Therefore - shut-in within their own planet.

Unfortunately they had some... chronic disease or something shared by their entire race/infected their entire race. When this desease struck, they probably went into hibernation using their stasis technology to delay their demise/sleep until disease is somehow cured.

In this last moment, some of those Godmen were chosen to travel to space for unknown mission. They were fitted with new mechanical body and sent off.
So far all this isn't important. Nothing that has to do with human race nor development of Underrail so far. As far as we know they could've sent outer space to buy supplies for recovery-celebration party that takes in the future.

Let's get to fun parts... They saw something interesting on(or more likely, under) Earth, came down, and somehow wracked the ship. There are only 3 survivors.
This ship, or possibly a part of the ship has been salvaged by certain organization, and it is likely that more alien items were scattered across larger area.


History of the Underrail(Or rather, Biocorp, since they controlled everything back few hundred years back then)

Evidences:
Apartment complexes mails, Actions of some ex-biocorp scientists, ex-biocorp Apex technocrat and ex-biocorp lackey of unknown rank, faceless dialogue, Six's dialogue.

Interpretation:
What happened prior to Biocorp doesn't concern me personally. All known recorded history begins when Biocorp controlled everything and the surface abandoned. Anyone or anything could've caused "uninhabitable surface problem" but it really doesn't matter to the story. So let's start with the part it does matter. Hollowed Earth Research Complex - also known as Deep Caverns.

Hollowed Earth Research Complex was built for research of top secret technologies of Biocorps... or so it says.
I personally think that it isn't true at all. How about this: Hollowed Earth Research Complex's purpose was to research alien technologies and alien genetics.
example:
Some mails from the apartment mentions gathering of xeno-artifact - like those mysterious pillar.
Unexplained presence of alien monolith within the ex-biocorp university. Note that Tchortist didn't know about its existence.
Stasis tanks.
Lastly, incredibly large amount of Mutagens.

Strange, isn't it? Faceless says that they were born within mutagen tanks.
And yet Dude refer to Faceless as "Half god, Half man, Half rock", and Rahm-Umbra says that Faceless is related to himself as well.
Only logical conclusion is that Biocorp somehow obtained Godmen's genetics(probably from ship wreckage mentioned above) and designed mutagens based on it to elevate humanity to new height.
It is unsure if they have used Mutagen, but biocorp scientists' work bore fruit and some of them obtained immortality + psionic abilities.

Biocorp was successful in creating in prototype of new human - the faceless. But then they revolted and Hollowed earth fell. It is not known if it was plotted by remaining Godmen or accident, but it is done. Most of the research - if not all - stored in there were lost. It is possible that some trace of it remains in the northern underrail.
Of course, there is an exception. There was a group of people who had access to all those wondrous, top tier Biocorp technology - Faceless. They probably had access to them after the revolt... and it brought them success in southern underrail.

And stuff happens - Tchort who was born during this revolt. Deep caverns fell to ruin.

Certain Biocorp employee continues to experiment... and Junkyard happens.
Then Biocorp fells.
Then cube gets stolen somehow.

Biocorp employees gets scattered across Underrail - some easily over hundreds of years old - and Godmen survivors still scheme for their mission even to this day.

Note that Godmen all seem to attract large human followers for their greater schemes and prefer to use minions over direct action. Bearing that in mind, it is easier to see where the last one may have went...
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« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2016, 08:31:02 PM »
Quote from: epeli on May 03, 2016, 07:36:35 PM

Quote from: Hal900x on May 03, 2016, 06:19:34 PM

Quote from: reinhark on May 03, 2016, 12:31:52 PM

before I discuss the entire understanding of my lore, can you tell me what you mean by "shadow people"?


It is how Tchort refers to Six/Rahm-Umbra/Tanner's people.


Tchort referred to Six specifically. You know, Rahm-Umbra. Shadow. He called the people "High Ones".


To think that I never bothered to look up "Rahm" and discover that it was a real word, knowing that Umbra is.
Turns out he's the high shadow!

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« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2016, 09:28:51 PM »
Oooh, I so don't have time for this, but I want to join in, at least for a bit.

Quote from: reinhark on May 03, 2016, 07:48:22 PM

Story of the alien race - to be more specific, Godmen.


You are taking all of this very literally, despite Six outright warning you not to do so. I don't think he would have objected to the titles Godman or High One if it was just a simple matter of bad translation.

But if we don't take it literally we don't have much to talk about, so let's do it anyway.

I'm not sure you got the chronology of it right, though. Not that I'm sure my version is any better.
The way I interpreted it, the illness is the earliest event in the timeline. The inhabitants of the moon, whoever they were, turned to the dead Godhead. The Godhead, in turn, unleashed the beast on them, the Leviathan.

They won the war by turning to technology and conquering space, and with the end of the Eon of the Beast, the reign of the Godmen started. The Godhead was replaced by the Machine God.

At this point however I am not sure what lead to their downfall and the eventual journey of the Chosen. It seems they had some kind of energy crisis, their stars provided them with plenty, yet not enough. Is the invisible star the sphere orbits the same Sun from the previous visions? Where is this galaxy anyway?

Quote from: reinhark on May 03, 2016, 07:48:22 PM

History of the Underrail(Or rather, Biocorp, since they controlled everything back few hundred years back then)


I'd like to add a few things to this.

First, it is unknown how humans developed psi potential. If even the head of Biocorp's genetic research is clueless about how such thing could have been designed, it is possible Biocorp had nothing to do with it. In that case there might be a third party that started tampering with human genetics long before Biocorp schenanigans. That would have some fun implications.

Second, the Junkyard incident. When exactly did it happen?
Thanks to Wyatt, we know for sure it was over 100 years ago. We also know the Hollow Earth incident started around 189 years and 75 days ago, and after it escalated Old Biocorp was done for. And finally, we know that there was no Biocorp for at least 100 years.
Wyatt identified Wight and Vovin as possible Biocorp scientists. The timing would be too soon for it to be New Biocorp, so it had to happen when Old Biocorp was still around, so at least around ~189 years ago. So was it one of the last things the two technocrats have done before pulling a disappearing act, or did it happen before Hollow Earth as part of Project Ascendance?

And last, what is the symbiont?
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« on: May 03, 2016, 10:01:15 AM »
Just finished the game. It's definitely in my top 10 ever. But...the ending! I gather there are many different paths than the one I took, but one thing drives me absolutely insane: the mystery. I never learned a damn thing. The whole game, I was waiting to find out what that cube was, who the "shadow people" were, what Rahm-Umbra and Tanner really were. And no, not one thing was explained. The Faceless wouldn't tell me, Rahm wouldn't tell me, Eidan wouldn't tell me, the GAME wouldn't tell me. Dafuq? I could swear I read someone saying they ending with the cube, and some kind of medallion? Two artifacts, that you can actually use? Well if so, I missed it all completely. If I can go back to an earlier save, and I have many, I think before I start another playthrough I really must know even a little about what this was all really about, if it is even possible.

That was a brutal, brutal cliffhanger. You better have the sequel ready next month.
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Quote from: reinhark on May 03, 2016, 12:31:52 PM

before I discuss the entire understanding of my lore, can you tell me what you mean by "shadow people"?


It is how Tchort refers to Six/Rahm-Umbra/Tanner's people.

And I thought of yet another NPC who knows deep dark secrets and won't spill: EZRA! Dammit, the whole game does this.
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Quote from: reinhark on May 03, 2016, 12:31:52 PM

before I discuss the entire understanding of my lore, can you tell me what you mean by "shadow people"?


It is how Tchort refers to Six/Rahm-Umbra/Tanner's people.


Tchort referred to Six specifically. You know, Rahm-Umbra. Shadow. He called the people "High Ones".
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Re: I hate you all [major spoilers]
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2016, 07:48:22 PM »
Now that I have my answer, I will talk about everything I know.
Each segment will be laid down chronologically, and will accompany evidences first followed by my opinion.
Let's begin.
Obviously everything below will be HUGE spoiler for the story, if not ALL of the spoilers.

Story of the alien race - to be more specific, Godmen.
(this is not that important, but oh well)

Evidences:
Refer to all three crystal pillars, monolith, secret society mainframe, secret society leader, Dude.

Interpretation:
So they are psionic, powerful and shut-in aliens who wields otherworldly technology like teleport or interplanetary weapon of mass destruction. They have track record of annihilating another alien race known as Behemoths, who were also space faring.
They are also known to hate space, for some reason. Therefore - shut-in within their own planet.

Unfortunately they had some... chronic disease or something shared by their entire race/infected their entire race. When this desease struck, they probably went into hibernation using their stasis technology to delay their demise/sleep until disease is somehow cured.

In this last moment, some of those Godmen were chosen to travel to space for unknown mission. They were fitted with new mechanical body and sent off.
So far all this isn't important. Nothing that has to do with human race nor development of Underrail so far. As far as we know they could've sent outer space to buy supplies for recovery-celebration party that takes in the future.

Let's get to fun parts... They saw something interesting on(or more likely, under) Earth, came down, and somehow wracked the ship. There are only 3 survivors.
This ship, or possibly a part of the ship has been salvaged by certain organization, and it is likely that more alien items were scattered across larger area.


History of the Underrail(Or rather, Biocorp, since they controlled everything back few hundred years back then)

Evidences:
Apartment complexes mails, Actions of some ex-biocorp scientists, ex-biocorp Apex technocrat and ex-biocorp lackey of unknown rank, faceless dialogue, Six's dialogue.

Interpretation:
What happened prior to Biocorp doesn't concern me personally. All known recorded history begins when Biocorp controlled everything and the surface abandoned. Anyone or anything could've caused "uninhabitable surface problem" but it really doesn't matter to the story. So let's start with the part it does matter. Hollowed Earth Research Complex - also known as Deep Caverns.

Hollowed Earth Research Complex was built for research of top secret technologies of Biocorps... or so it says.
I personally think that it isn't true at all. How about this: Hollowed Earth Research Complex's purpose was to research alien technologies and alien genetics.
example:
Some mails from the apartment mentions gathering of xeno-artifact - like those mysterious pillar.
Unexplained presence of alien monolith within the ex-biocorp university. Note that Tchortist didn't know about its existence.
Stasis tanks.
Lastly, incredibly large amount of Mutagens.

Strange, isn't it? Faceless says that they were born within mutagen tanks.
And yet Dude refer to Faceless as "Half god, Half man, Half rock", and Rahm-Umbra says that Faceless is related to himself as well.
Only logical conclusion is that Biocorp somehow obtained Godmen's genetics(probably from ship wreckage mentioned above) and designed mutagens based on it to elevate humanity to new height.
It is unsure if they have used Mutagen, but biocorp scientists' work bore fruit and some of them obtained immortality + psionic abilities.

Biocorp was successful in creating in prototype of new human - the faceless. But then they revolted and Hollowed earth fell. It is not known if it was plotted by remaining Godmen or accident, but it is done. Most of the research - if not all - stored in there were lost. It is possible that some trace of it remains in the northern underrail.
Of course, there is an exception. There was a group of people who had access to all those wondrous, top tier Biocorp technology - Faceless. They probably had access to them after the revolt... and it brought them success in southern underrail.

And stuff happens - Tchort who was born during this revolt. Deep caverns fell to ruin.

Certain Biocorp employee continues to experiment... and Junkyard happens.
Then Biocorp fells.
Then cube gets stolen somehow.

Biocorp employees gets scattered across Underrail - some easily over hundreds of years old - and Godmen survivors still scheme for their mission even to this day.

Note that Godmen all seem to attract large human followers for their greater schemes and prefer to use minions over direct action. Bearing that in mind, it is easier to see where the last one may have went...
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Re: I hate you all [major spoilers]
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2016, 08:31:02 PM »
Quote from: epeli on May 03, 2016, 07:36:35 PM

Quote from: Hal900x on May 03, 2016, 06:19:34 PM

Quote from: reinhark on May 03, 2016, 12:31:52 PM

before I discuss the entire understanding of my lore, can you tell me what you mean by "shadow people"?


It is how Tchort refers to Six/Rahm-Umbra/Tanner's people.


Tchort referred to Six specifically. You know, Rahm-Umbra. Shadow. He called the people "High Ones".


To think that I never bothered to look up "Rahm" and discover that it was a real word, knowing that Umbra is.
Turns out he's the high shadow!

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Re: I hate you all [major spoilers]
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2016, 09:28:51 PM »
Oooh, I so don't have time for this, but I want to join in, at least for a bit.

Quote from: reinhark on May 03, 2016, 07:48:22 PM

Story of the alien race - to be more specific, Godmen.


You are taking all of this very literally, despite Six outright warning you not to do so. I don't think he would have objected to the titles Godman or High One if it was just a simple matter of bad translation.

But if we don't take it literally we don't have much to talk about, so let's do it anyway.

I'm not sure you got the chronology of it right, though. Not that I'm sure my version is any better.
The way I interpreted it, the illness is the earliest event in the timeline. The inhabitants of the moon, whoever they were, turned to the dead Godhead. The Godhead, in turn, unleashed the beast on them, the Leviathan.

They won the war by turning to technology and conquering space, and with the end of the Eon of the Beast, the reign of the Godmen started. The Godhead was replaced by the Machine God.

At this point however I am not sure what lead to their downfall and the eventual journey of the Chosen. It seems they had some kind of energy crisis, their stars provided them with plenty, yet not enough. Is the invisible star the sphere orbits the same Sun from the previous visions? Where is this galaxy anyway?

Quote from: reinhark on May 03, 2016, 07:48:22 PM

History of the Underrail(Or rather, Biocorp, since they controlled everything back few hundred years back then)


I'd like to add a few things to this.

First, it is unknown how humans developed psi potential. If even the head of Biocorp's genetic research is clueless about how such thing could have been designed, it is possible Biocorp had nothing to do with it. In that case there might be a third party that started tampering with human genetics long before Biocorp schenanigans. That would have some fun implications.

Second, the Junkyard incident. When exactly did it happen?
Thanks to Wyatt, we know for sure it was over 100 years ago. We also know the Hollow Earth incident started around 189 years and 75 days ago, and after it escalated Old Biocorp was done for. And finally, we know that there was no Biocorp for at least 100 years.
Wyatt identified Wight and Vovin as possible Biocorp scientists. The timing would be too soon for it to be New Biocorp, so it had to happen when Old Biocorp was still around, so at least around ~189 years ago. So was it one of the last things the two technocrats have done before pulling a disappearing act, or did it happen before Hollow Earth as part of Project Ascendance?

And last, what is the symbiont?
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>начинают при каждом удобном случае напоминать тебе, какой ты мудак, гнобить тебя за то, что ты сделал
А что, надо тебе жопу вылизать за то, что ты ебанашка? Нахуй пошёл
sage[mailto:sage] Аноним 18/09/19 Срд 14:10:50 #34 №203999030 
>>203998294 (OP)
>Или вот ещё: альфа самцы. Пускай жизнь их пуста и ничём, кроме просиживания штанов за компьютером
Ты реально долбаеб
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