We have overwarmed market of juniors
I have double citizenship in the European Union. I can probably find a job here, should the need arise.
I just need good education, in Russia.
Also, to all Russian anonchiks, excuse me for not posting in Russian. I am learning but I am not yet capable of having an advanced conversation. I will take a preparatory year for Russian language.
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>Which are the most sought after Bachelor/Specialty programs for a software engineer / programmer in Russia?
Software Engineering. Code 09.03.04. (Программная инженерия in russian). Probably, I'm not actually sure.
Also probably Applied mathematics and CS (01.03.02 Прикладная математика и информатика).
>Which universities do you recommend?
MSU, HSE, MIPT, BMSTU. These are all in Moscow. In St. Petersburg there are SPBU and ITMO, I don't know any others.
>Also, I've been trying to find a website about EGE and university admission statistics (to see which universities have the highest EGE cutoffs), but to no avail
It's better to just find the website of the specific university and look for the info there rather than looking for one site.
Большое вам спасибо.
Forget the CS crap, bro. If you want to get the most out of Russian education, you should go either for math or physics. Choose math without computer science if possible. Those degrees will be worth something, and more importantly they will actually teach you quite well.
>Russian brothers,
О, Сербы пожаловали!
He will learn old soviet books!
Not the best option for education, though.
Double that. Go math, applied math or physics.
Btw also notice that what really matters is the faculty, not the specialty program. You can switch specialties after the 2nd year, and the studies in the first two years are usually more or less the same for all programs on the same faculty.
Also note that we have specific hard "EGE cutoffs" but they don't really matter (as they are quite low), what matters is the passing score on your chosen specialty in the previous years and whether the number of free positions (бюджетных мест) is higher or lower than in the previous years. You can see the relevant statistics on university websites; there are also a number of aggregators e.g. first link in google: https://postupi.online/programmy-obucheniya/bakalavr/ - they tend to be quite shitty unfortunately
Also since you're a foreigner you'll probably be eligible for some kind of university-specific special admission program. I don't know much about this stuff, make sure to do your research.
Also since you're a european I think you should prioritize Moscow or Spb universities (because logistics). Though be aware that you have to have a very specific attitude in order to be able to survive in Spb (pic strongly related).
Btw ITMO has a decent wiki http://neerc.ifmo.ru/wiki/index.php?title=Заглавная_страница and is considered a strong IT uni because of their numerous victories in ICPC. (But at the same time I've heard that if you're not on their contest team then the education is average, so I dunno.) Still, it's something to consider if you decide to go IT instead of the (recommended) fundamental route.
Also btw try to get into 3rd-party programs like ШАД, see https://academy.yandex.ru
https://yandexdataschool.ru
Also note that we have specific hard "EGE cutoffs" but they don't really matter (as they are quite low), what matters is the passing score on your chosen specialty in the previous years and whether the number of free positions (бюджетных мест) is higher or lower than in the previous years. You can see the relevant statistics on university websites; there are also a number of aggregators e.g. first link in google: https://postupi.online/programmy-obucheniya/bakalavr/ - they tend to be quite shitty unfortunately
Also since you're a foreigner you'll probably be eligible for some kind of university-specific special admission program. I don't know much about this stuff, make sure to do your research.
Also since you're a european I think you should prioritize Moscow or Spb universities (because logistics). Though be aware that you have to have a very specific attitude in order to be able to survive in Spb (pic strongly related).
Btw ITMO has a decent wiki http://neerc.ifmo.ru/wiki/index.php?title=Заглавная_страница and is considered a strong IT uni because of their numerous victories in ICPC. (But at the same time I've heard that if you're not on their contest team then the education is average, so I dunno.) Still, it's something to consider if you decide to go IT instead of the (recommended) fundamental route.
Also btw try to get into 3rd-party programs like ШАД, see https://academy.yandex.ru
https://yandexdataschool.ru
Btw it would be nice if you could talk a bit about yourself (where are you from, why go to Russia, etc). No deanon, just curiosity.
Also be prepared to see lots of kebabs in Moscow. It's not Paris of course, but still. If you want a zero-kebab environment, you'd have to go to (appropriately named) Belorussia (or Poland for that matter).
Also be prepared to see lots of kebabs in Moscow. It's not Paris of course, but still. If you want a zero-kebab environment, you'd have to go to (appropriately named) Belorussia (or Poland for that matter).
Well, taking bluntly, there are 2 ways in acquiring quite useful IT education. First – apply to some "Software Engineering" and the second is to apply "(Applied) Mathematics and Programming". It is considered that in the second one you will have a lot of hours of algorythms and maths. In fact is useful only for about 5% of modern IT positions.
So, it seems you should take the first way, right? The issue is that nobody will teach you engineering practices properly, you can get it only at work or at least working it on real projects. The best you can get is the very-very vague basics. But yep, there should be quite less maths and more "general" IT-related and compsci-related stuff. However, I recommend you Software Engineering in case you have quite strong allergies to maths and algos. You shouldn't torture yourself. And in case you are interested in maths journey – take "Applied maths and programming", languages and engineering practices themselves are easy to learn in case you aren't dumb as fuck.
Further sources and links:
1. Examine data on BSci of Faculty of Computer Science in Higher School of economics. You can compare educational plans of department of "Software engineering" and "Applied maths and informatics".
2. Other good depts are: ИУ МГТУ, ВМК МГУ, ФИВТ МФТИ, IT department of МИСиС.
>have a very specific attitude in order to be able to survive in Spb (pic strongly related).
I am Eastern European too.
>university-specific special admission program
We do, and I think it is unfair we do, but well, what can I do.
>Btw it would be nice if you could talk a bit about yourself (where are you from, why go to Russia, etc). No deanon, just curiosity.
Double citizenship in the European Union. Can't exactly mention where.
I like Russia a lot, I read a lot about it and I think it is generally based. I want to learn Russian and I have to go to university. I don't want to spend my savings on university thus getting a scholarship seems the perfect option. All things considered, Russia looks like a pretty good deal, especially considering that things like programming are pretty much universal.
>I think it is unfair we do
Why? As far as I know you're not taking a spot from some russian kid, foreigners have a separate quotas or something.
Yes, foreigners have a separate quota which would otherwise go to a Russian kid.
I think we should also get some sort of academic examinations. The CIS nations can take the EGE and will gain admission on the same terms as Russian citizens, but people outside CIS have nothing than a selection process at the local Rossotrudnichestvo center - no academic tests.
Садков, привет, иди нахуй.
Кек.
>I am Eastern European too.
Is it raining 360/365 days of the year in your country though?
>We do, and I think it is unfair we do
Well, I think in the grand scheme of things at this point in time it's more beneficial for us to have those quotas (from the foreign politics/cultural exchange/etc standpoint), but of course that only concerns quotas for european (and maybe US/China/Japan/Korea) citizens.
>I want to learn Russian and I have to go to university.
Btw note that most people who learn russian AND go to the uni usually study linguistics/philology/etc. I believe it will be quite challenging to both study russian and go thru the 1st year math course, so you gotta learn the language like right now.
Of course, if your native lang is a slavic one too that makes it much easier; and since your english is perfectly good I guess you can always attend (depending on the uni tho) the courses in english; not sure how common that is.
kinda offtopic, but sort of related:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6cTg36A596WOBeQaGIRRUQ
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzKXgVqZa4thaNpD0EKLz0g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NztgXMLwv4A
https://www.youtube.com/user/RBTHvideo
You need https://university.innopolis.ru/en/, best choice for not native russian speaker
>Is it raining 360/365 days of the year in your country though?
Yes I've been living in such a place for 5 years. It is famous for its shitty weather.
You get 1 year to learn Russian and nothing but Russian btw. After than year you start your 4 year bakalavreat as a regular student.
There is no good education in Russia.
>Yes I've been living in such a place for 5 years
Haha, then welcome to Saint-Petersburg, make yourself at home.
>You get 1 year to learn Russian and nothing but Russian btw. After than year you start your 4 year bakalavreat
Ahh, I see. Then it shouldn't be a problem, yeah.
А вот и настоящий садков, кек:
High Education is not needed for CRUDs or frontend.
It's wasting your time with old soviet Math teachers, Pascal is a primary programming languge and fizical education. Shit.
It's wasting your time with old soviet Math teachers, Pascal is a primary programming languge and fizical education. Shit.
Лет ми спик фром май харт
Исправь, Я посмотрю. Нихуя лучше не скажешь.
Ты себе чикен аккаунт завел уже, диверсант клоповный?
Higher Education is not required for CRUD or frontend.
Две буквы добавил и слово заменил. А то иностранцы бы не поняли.
No, they can't. Could you speak more native form from heart?
I am a white from Central Europe, looking to get a scholarship to study in Russia (which your governament graciously offers).
Which are the most sought after Bachelor/Specialty programs for a software engineer / programmer in Russia?
I see there are many variations of pretty much the same stuff. For example:
- Software Engineering and Information Systems Management
- Fundamental Informatics and IT
- Mathematics and Computer Science
- Applied Mathematics and Computer Science
What is the actual difference between these programs and which is the most valued by employers.
Also, I've been trying to find a website about EGE and university admission statistics (to see which universities have the highest EGE cutoffs), but to no avail. Does such a thing exist?
Which universities do you recommend? As far as I can undestand, the big 4 universities (the best - although I know there is much more to it than the ranking) are Lomonosov in Moscow, SPB State, Tomsk State and Novosibirsk State.